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[novin_ha]

I am not going to wish happy birthday to a fictional character that does not exist and is totally unreal.

I am not.

Not at all.

Happy Birthday, dear Severus! ♥

And a question to females - would you go out with a man in a skirt? As in, a man in a skirt, not you in a skirt?

But honestly?

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[atlantel.livejournal.com]

if he is Scottish, of course I would :)

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

What if he's not Scottish?

I found myself wondering after watching a few rock stars in skirts - of course, most of them were simply gay, but still. My friends told me they could never go out with a man in a skirt because it's unmanly. I answered that whetrher or not skirt is manly is arbitrary (my new favourite word). But perhaps it's just asecurative me. I like falling in love with dead or gay men because it's so bloody safe.

But skirts are cute, aren't they?

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

Oh, and if he's Scottish he may even not wear a skirt - my first real crush was on a Scottish guy, seen years older, funny as hell... married ;)

[snarkypants.livejournal.com]

Only if he were Scots, and verra manly at that.

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

So does a skirt make a man unmanly? It's just convention - is it a convention that can't be broken?

I am not tryong to be smart, just wandering. I am not sure about it myself.

[snarkypants.livejournal.com]

A skirt, in and of itself, doesn't make a man unmanly, but I think that a man would have to be extremely confident (and therefore manly) to carry it off.

I've seen manly non-Scottish men wear 'construction kilts,' and it comes across as a prissy affectation, at least to me. If they were Scottish, it wouldn't bug me in the slightest, so I guess it's the affectation that bothers me there.

My SIL got married to her husband while he wore a kilt, and he's maybe 1/4 Scottish...annoyed the hell out of me.

[snarkypants.livejournal.com]

Also, part of my definition of 'manly' is 'unaffected' and 'unselfconscious'...and wearing a kilt, if one is not a Scot, is neither.

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

You have a very good point here. But what if he wore a normal skirt just because he liked to? Not to pretend Scottishness?

And why are Scots so much more lucky? ;) to be able to wear skirts and get off with that?

Well, I guess I'm not allowed to call kilt 'skirt'.

[fishity.livejournal.com]

Hm...strongly depends on the man. If he's Scottish and wearing a kilt, hell yes. Most other men I ever saw wearing a skirt were miles away from being my type. I think I'd do it...but only if it's not some embarassing raver guy. Whom I wouldn't touch with a ten feet pole anyway...and here goes my famous circular logic again :)

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

No, that is totally logical to me. Because honestly - what makes a man manly? Does a skirt make you gay? Or at least transvestite? Where are the boundaries between being what some may call 'pervert' and simply eccentric?

That's what makes me interested. Skirt is, after all, just a piece of clothing. Fabric. The fact that it is attributed to women is cultural. Is it possible to change it? Omce upon a time women didn't wear trousers... Once upon a time men wore togas.

In Poland you won't see a man dressed in a skirt.

Would you date a guy who uses eye-liner? My Mum did - and here you see me. It was a short part of my dad's life and yes, it was a strange time. But still... My Mum was pretty much conventional.

So is that acceptable for a straight and not-transvestite man to wear a skirt? And if not, then why the hell not?

Priests are allowed to, after all ;)

Oh well, maybe not skirts. But still.

[jen-deben.livejournal.com]

Someone who is gay is romantically interested in people of the same sex. Skirts have nothing to do with it. Most gay men have no interest in dressing like women, and most transvestites are not gay.

Someone who is a transvestite wants to dress like someone of the opposite sex. Being gay is not required, and skirts don't necessarily have to have anything to do with it.

I have seen pictures of manly men wearing manly looking skirts. Every now and then, a designer will come up a very severe-looking wrap skirt and try to get the boys wearing it. It hasn't worked yet, but these designers do a good job of making the outfit look masculine - which would not appeal to transvestites.

Here's some examples of manly men looking manly in their skirts (Warning: some of these are only barely work-safe :D ):

Hottie 1 (David Beckham, accompanied by Posh)

Hottie 2

Hottie 3

Hottie 4

Hottie 5

Hottie 6 (with female friend)

Hottie 7 (Vin Diesel)

Hottie 8

Hottie (Cutie?) 9

Hottie (Daddy) 10 (scroll down to the biker guy at the bottom)

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

I do know the difference between gay and transvestite ;)

6&8&10 :)

The point is, I am wondering how strong this particula convention is. Honestly, I almost never wear skirts. It requires the time to find a matching top and shoes, much mroe so than with trousers. So if females wear trousers and it's no big deal, why men don't wear skirts? And is it going to change?

I reach the point when I think I would go out with a non-transvestite manly man in a skirt.

And would you? And what would you say if your boyfriend showed up with discreet eyeliner and eyesadow "to make his eyes look better"?

[jen-deben.livejournal.com]

Sorry if I wasn't tactful! No offence was intended. 8-(

I detest wearing skirts; I find them so cold. As for skirts on men, I like a fellow to look manly - that's just a matter of taste - so he could wear a skirt and it wouldn't bother me, provided that he didn't look effeminate in it. Femininity just isn't something my brain is programmed to be attracted to.

Kilts are great; I love men in kilts. I think Hottie #6 looks very nice in his outfit too. Vin Diesel looked very macho in his. Those skirts work for me. The same logic applies for the eyeliner and eyeshadow; if it doesn't make the fellow look effeminate, then I don't mind. If it does, I still don't mind; I just don't find it sexy.

I like unconventional too, mind you, so this is all pretty specific to me. :-/

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

No offence :) I'm pretty hard to offend.

Manly man in manly skirt it is, then.

My Dad was a totally hot young man and then a totally hot man. As soon as I learn how to and get the photos I'll post some. :)

My Mum sekritly told me two guys she knew had crushes on him ;) and nearly all the girls.
/boring talk about handsome fathers

[sigune.livejournal.com]

would you go out with a man in a skirt?

YUP. Probably means he has dress sense and isn't afraid of being unconventional.

Mind you: I once fell in love with a guy just because of his amzingly original glasses, and lost interest when he bought new ones that weren't nearly as special.

:D

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

Oh, glasses are totally important. I rarely ever am interested in a guy that does not have them ;)

And I adore my own glasses :)

Unconventional is also part of why I ponder this. I like unconventional.

[bufo-viridis.livejournal.com]

Unconventional is also part of why I ponder this. I like unconventional.

I think you need to define "skirt" more, 'cause if sarong counts - and it should - then in some places it would be rather conventional.
Ditto for different gellabiyas, although they're rather robes or dresses then skirts.
/off with my cultural anthropologists hat

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

Details, details. Everyone else knows what I mean ;)

A skirt in the western sense of a garment worn by females, etc.

Because if it was conventional the question itself would hardly have a point, now would it?

Would you go out on a street dressed in a skirt? :p

[bufo-viridis.livejournal.com]

Details...
Devil sits in the details - up to you to find a proper substitute of this proverb for the sake of your international readers :)

I'm trying to remember if I have ever gone in skirt - to some parties yes, but I think on the street no...

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

You only get half a point then :)

I have certainly worn a skirt - and even a dress - in public. Even to school :)

[bufo-viridis.livejournal.com]

I guess it's no point in asking you about trousers...
And they call it "equality"!
Help, help, I'm being repressed!

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

And how do you feel about that? Do you wnat to talk about it?

*Likes being huge and evil, prepares for being the Prime Minister*

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

Besides, don't you know that life is hard on the toads?

[bufo-viridis.livejournal.com]

Don't you tell me. Counting toads squashed by passing cars is one of my earliest childhood recollections.

[novin-ha.livejournal.com]

You once mentioned ;)

I used to gather these little bugs the Americans sent us to destroy USSR potato on the beach into tiny boxes. For an unknown reason, once inside for a while, they died...

[bufo-viridis.livejournal.com]

That's not a humanitarian way. You should have squashed them at once, rather then let them suffocate, even if they were American spies.
They make a "crunchy" sound...